is it justifiable for a government to take away civil rights and civil liberties from citizens in a timeofwar?

By tascerUSA  

is it justifiable for a government to take away civil rights and civil liberties from citizens in a time of war?

The technical legality (and how many rights and liberties the government allows, if any) depends on the government. In some governments, some suspensions are allowed depending on rare and specific circumstances. However, I never understood how any government could engage in a war whose goal would be to obtain such rights and liberties for some, while suspending these for others. At least, I don't see how they can do that without coming off as at least strangely suspect and rather hypocritical. There have been a few times over the years where if the U.S. had lost its rally, some would have been tried as war criminals. Seems that 'winning' can make the difference and deem certain acts 'justifiable'.

While in some rare instances it may be allowed by technical legality (which is an arguable point anyway); it's just doesn't look justifiable to me. I guess I'm just not a means to an end, at any cost kind of girl.

Is the American Civil Liberties Union more Democratic or Republican in regards to its ideology?

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10 Responses to “is it justifiable for a government to take away civil rights and civil liberties from citizens in a timeofwar?”

  1. cthegrayone on June 9th, 2009 4:16 am

    No it is not…War are created for profits most of the time.
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  2. William F on June 9th, 2009 5:01 am

    Never. It is just an excuse for them to gain more power.

    "Those who sacrifice liberty for security wind up loosing both"
    Ben Franklin
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  3. toms1266 on June 9th, 2009 5:26 am

    only if doing so would have a necessary impact on the war.
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  4. Whyruafraid? on June 9th, 2009 6:03 am

    No, it is not. Sadly, most Americans don't really care.
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  5. Sweetness on June 9th, 2009 6:28 am

    In this age of tightened security, our government has had to make it more difficult for terrorists to come here and be trained by our own to commit terror against us. I am not sure of what specific injustice you speak of, but am aware that there has been many controversal subjects pertaining to wire tapping, detaining foreigners, some for good reason, others not, due to tightened security. Not much different from everyday injustices involving strip searches that are unlawfully performed, intrusions into peoples personal information, unlawful arrests / detentions. To error is human, if for the sake of good vs. evil, if their heart is in the right place, it's the thought that counts. People can be in the wrong place at the wrong time and be prosecuted to the full extent of the law who are completely innocent, it's wrong, but it happens. Hope this touches base on what you were referring to.
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  6. zon moy on June 9th, 2009 6:38 am

    No it is not.
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  7. satchel on June 9th, 2009 6:52 am

    The technical legality (and how many rights and liberties the government allows, if any) depends on the government. In some governments, some suspensions are allowed depending on rare and specific circumstances. However, I never understood how any government could engage in a war whose goal would be to obtain such rights and liberties for some, while suspending these for others. At least, I don't see how they can do that without coming off as at least strangely suspect and rather hypocritical. There have been a few times over the years where if the U.S. had lost its rally, some would have been tried as war criminals. Seems that 'winning' can make the difference and deem certain acts 'justifiable'.

    While in some rare instances it may be allowed by technical legality (which is an arguable point anyway); it's just doesn't look justifiable to me. I guess I'm just not a means to an end, at any cost kind of girl.
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    Several history and government resources, The Late Unpleasantness, and people like Robert McNamara.

  8. bicballpoint on June 9th, 2009 7:31 am

    If your family and thousands like them were killed in another terrorist outrage, you would turn on your government without a second thought.

    So, damned if they do and damned if they don't, what are they supposed to do, wash their hands of it and walk away?

    Over here in the UK we have lunatics in charge of the justice system, we won't deport terrorists to their own countries in case they are tortured. But we do jail old age pensioners who protest about being reduced to poverty.

    If I were you I'd stop moaning and thank your lucky stars you do not live over here.
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  9. Mike N on June 9th, 2009 7:52 am

    You most be talking about that whole patriot act thing you know when it comes to that if your are not a terrorists with something to hide you really shouldn't be worried about it.
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  10. niki on June 9th, 2009 8:29 am

    I have nothing to hide, and would be willing to give a little in my "freedom" dept to ensure we are safe.
    If we had no safety measures and another attack occurred you'd be singing a different tune all together.

    If you don't like it move, or run for public office.

    If you are not part of a solution you are often just part of the problem.
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